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		<title>Monday October 19 2009</title>
		<link>http://sbufreethinkers.org/blog/2009/10/monday-october-19-2009/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Topic: Atheist Ad Campaigns
Positive or Negative?
Based on area, they can be either.
•    $25,000 (donation) spent on subway campaign in NYC
•    Campaign in Indiana – Similar message
How might that money be better spent?
•    Youth programs
•    Education
What do these achieve?
•    In a major metropolitan area, these may not serve much purpose other than awareness.
•    In smaller areas, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topic: Atheist Ad Campaigns<br />
Positive or Negative?<br />
Based on area, they can be either.<br />
•    $25,000 (donation) spent on subway campaign in NYC<br />
•    Campaign in Indiana – Similar message<br />
How might that money be better spent?<br />
•    Youth programs<br />
•    Education<br />
What do these achieve?<br />
•    In a major metropolitan area, these may not serve much purpose other than awareness.<br />
•    In smaller areas, these may bring people out of the woodwork.<br />
•    Is it worth the cost to bring these people out into the open?  A small minority is still a sizable group – can assist in political means, social activism, etc.<br />
•    In the US, where religion almost seems inherent, it can help to raise awareness of our existence and our political weight.<br />
•    Do these campaigns help to enhance the sense of group identity?</p>
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		<title>Monday September 21 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Topic: Intellectual Property Rights
Example: “Happy Birthday”
o	Written by a school teacher in 1800s
o	Now rights are owned by Time Warner until 2020
Should ideas become property?  What might be the motivations?
o	Jealousy, greed
o	Profit
o	Societal benefit
o	Distribution
Is creating a work of art purely for profit something that can be considered manipulative?
o	In this case, should they be given the right to intellectual [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topic: Intellectual Property Rights</p>
<p>Example: “Happy Birthday”<br />
o	Written by a school teacher in 1800s<br />
o	Now rights are owned by Time Warner until 2020<br />
Should ideas become property?  What might be the motivations?<br />
o	Jealousy, greed<br />
o	Profit<br />
o	Societal benefit<br />
o	Distribution<br />
Is creating a work of art purely for profit something that can be considered manipulative?<br />
o	In this case, should they be given the right to intellectual property for so long if its being created for profit as these creations tend to be?<br />
Copyrighting – When created, a copyright is automatically associated with the creative work.</p>
<p>Patenting<br />
o	Patents expire much sooner than intellectual property rights<br />
o	Human genome has been widely patented<br />
o	Drugs that can impact survival are patented – generics must wait until patent has expired to provide for much less money<br />
Should organisms be patented?<br />
o	Drugs – penicillin is a common, useful organism<br />
o	Is right over that life automatically bad?  Ex: organism used to break down crude oil has been patented.<br />
What about differences in country laws?<br />
o	Child pornography – viewable in one country, but not another? In Soviet Russia CP watches you.<br />
o	Should an international standard be reached to prevent such discrepancies?</p>
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		<title>Monday September 14 2009</title>
		<link>http://sbufreethinkers.org/blog/2009/09/monday-september-14-2009/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
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Topic: Burqas in France
Sarkozy announced in June that burqas were “not welcome” in France.
What are the possible benefits of banning dress and symbols such as the burqa?

Women are not oppressed, treated like property
Many women are forced to wear the burqa by family
Reduce abuse in religious community due to visibility

What are the [...]]]></description>
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<p>Topic: Burqas in France</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/sarkozy-burqas-are-not-we_n_218920.html">Sarkozy announced in June that burqas were “not welcome” in France.</a></p>
<p>What are the possible benefits of banning dress and symbols such as the burqa?</p>
<ul>
<li>Women are not oppressed, treated like property</li>
<li>Many women are forced to wear the burqa by family</li>
<li>Reduce abuse in religious community due to visibility</li>
</ul>
<p>What are the drawbacks?</p>
<ul>
<li>Revocation of the option to wear the burqa removes a right women previously had</li>
<li>When you make something taboo, people cling to it – create an alternative, attractive culture</li>
<li>Infringing upon the personal, non-offensive wear of the religious</li>
</ul>
<p>Is the state justified in taking such action against personal religious symbols?</p>
<ul>
<li>Separation of church and state has benefitted the religious as well as the non-religious</li>
<li>One must determine the infringement upon personal rights</li>
<li>Is the law motivated by nationalism/overbearing secularism taking away personal right to religious expression?</li>
<li>The secular members of society expect freedom from oppression – applying this same oppression to the way of life for the religious can be seen as hypocritical and counter-productive</li>
<li>In a blanket ban on the burqa, you eliminate the choice of women who are not being forced to wear it</li>
<li>Many women see the burqa for its original purpose – modesty to avoid being objectified</li>
</ul>
<p>Why might France seek to outlaw the wearing of the burqa?</p>
<ul>
<li>Oppressive of women</li>
<li>Hides identity of wearer – possible hidden threat</li>
<li>Religious symbols are already banned in French schools – children cannot wear crucifixes or any other type of outward religious symbolism</li>
</ul>
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