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		<title>Monday October 19 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Topic: Atheist Ad Campaigns
Positive or Negative?
Based on area, they can be either.
•    $25,000 (donation) spent on subway campaign in NYC
•    Campaign in Indiana – Similar message
How might that money be better spent?
•    Youth programs
•    Education
What do these achieve?
•    In a major metropolitan area, these may not serve much purpose other than awareness.
•    In smaller areas, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topic: Atheist Ad Campaigns<br />
Positive or Negative?<br />
Based on area, they can be either.<br />
•    $25,000 (donation) spent on subway campaign in NYC<br />
•    Campaign in Indiana – Similar message<br />
How might that money be better spent?<br />
•    Youth programs<br />
•    Education<br />
What do these achieve?<br />
•    In a major metropolitan area, these may not serve much purpose other than awareness.<br />
•    In smaller areas, these may bring people out of the woodwork.<br />
•    Is it worth the cost to bring these people out into the open?  A small minority is still a sizable group – can assist in political means, social activism, etc.<br />
•    In the US, where religion almost seems inherent, it can help to raise awareness of our existence and our political weight.<br />
•    Do these campaigns help to enhance the sense of group identity?</p>
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		<title>Monday September 21 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Topic: Intellectual Property Rights
Example: “Happy Birthday”
o	Written by a school teacher in 1800s
o	Now rights are owned by Time Warner until 2020
Should ideas become property?  What might be the motivations?
o	Jealousy, greed
o	Profit
o	Societal benefit
o	Distribution
Is creating a work of art purely for profit something that can be considered manipulative?
o	In this case, should they be given the right to intellectual [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topic: Intellectual Property Rights</p>
<p>Example: “Happy Birthday”<br />
o	Written by a school teacher in 1800s<br />
o	Now rights are owned by Time Warner until 2020<br />
Should ideas become property?  What might be the motivations?<br />
o	Jealousy, greed<br />
o	Profit<br />
o	Societal benefit<br />
o	Distribution<br />
Is creating a work of art purely for profit something that can be considered manipulative?<br />
o	In this case, should they be given the right to intellectual property for so long if its being created for profit as these creations tend to be?<br />
Copyrighting – When created, a copyright is automatically associated with the creative work.</p>
<p>Patenting<br />
o	Patents expire much sooner than intellectual property rights<br />
o	Human genome has been widely patented<br />
o	Drugs that can impact survival are patented – generics must wait until patent has expired to provide for much less money<br />
Should organisms be patented?<br />
o	Drugs – penicillin is a common, useful organism<br />
o	Is right over that life automatically bad?  Ex: organism used to break down crude oil has been patented.<br />
What about differences in country laws?<br />
o	Child pornography – viewable in one country, but not another? In Soviet Russia CP watches you.<br />
o	Should an international standard be reached to prevent such discrepancies?</p>
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		<title>&#8220;I&#8217;m offended by your posters around campus&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a few reasons people have told me they are offended by our posters. I can understand some people. Others, I just have to clarify our reasoning. Then there are some that I squarely disagree with.
Sustainability
An RA has alluded to being unhappy that we are using so much paper, and all I can do [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few reasons people have told me they are offended by our posters. I can understand some people. Others, I just have to clarify our reasoning. Then there are some that I squarely disagree with.</p>
<h3>Sustainability</h3>
<p>An RA has alluded to being unhappy that we are using so much paper, and all I can do is <span>apologize</span>, and promise that we are trying to be as <span>efficient</span> as possible. We have promoted the group though every non-paper method available. Facebook group and ads, google groups, aim, email, face-to-face, and this website. We choose to use paper as well because we want to make sure the less internet-savvy freethinkers are able to participate as well. We will try to reduce and conserve once we are established.</p>
<p>EDIT: We have now published a page on our efforts to operate a sustainable organization. <a href="/sustainability">http://sbufree.com/sustainability</a></p>
<h3>Freethought</h3>
<p>Some have also commented on a <span>contradiction</span> or <span>hypocrisy</span> in our name. They say that to be a &#8220;Freethinker&#8221; you must accept all kinds of beliefs. They say that by excluding theists, we are just as closed-minded as them. I explain that we aren&#8217;t the first ones to use the word in this context, and that in fact to use it to refer to an open minded theist would actually be a <span>contradiction</span> of the definition of the word.</p>
<blockquote><p>Freethinker: A person who has formed their opinions using reason and rational enquiry; somebody who has rejected dogma, especially with regard to religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then I go on to explain why we reject religion, and why it is in one&#8217;s best interest to do so. I use part of the argument brought up by Moiz Khan. Religion asks you to be a slave, a sheep, and it asks you to submit yourself to a supernatural. It asks you to <em>give up</em> reasoning, to <em>give up</em> thoughts, to <em>give up</em> judgment, and to consider yourself unworthy. I cannot see how I could characterize any person who lives by this as a freethinker, or even someone who thinks freely (to avoid the definition of freethinker).</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s suppose there is a theist who, a most theists do, pick and choose what they follow and believe; an a la carte theist, or a &#8220;Cafeteria Catholic&#8221; as many intellectual Catholics refer to themselves. This theist claims that he does not obey any higher power, and has drawn his own conclusions about God and the universe. Firstly, I wouldn&#8217;t believe it, because where did they get these beliefs from in the first place? This alone would be enough proof to show they are not freethinkers, but if we can get past that, then why did they (likely) choose the <span>Judeo-Christian</span> Yahweh over any of the other gods through time?  Did they consider polytheism when they came to this realization? We welcome deists to become members, and we invite our theistic brothers and sisters to discuss their beliefs with us, but we will not consider theists to be freethinkers.</p>
<h3>Free Speech</h3>
<p>Finally there are the people who are offended by the posters&#8217; content. I will not give the least bit of sympathy to such people.</p>
<ul>
<li>You are on a college campus that fosters open discussion and higher thought.</li>
<li>You are in a country that guarantees our right to free speech. I firmly believe that we must talk about these issues in order to make progress. Nothing is sacred.</li>
<li>You are in a universe that has never come up with evidence for a supernatural, so the least you can allow us to do is point these three things out with a few simple posters.</li>
</ul>
<p>On top of that, we <strong>are not</strong> here to offend anyone, and for all that we could plaster the campus with, we have kept our posters very tame and neutral. Most of them just ask a simple personal question: Not sure about religion?&#8230; No God? No Problem&#8230; Feeling Skeptical?&#8230; We are here to portray a <strong>positive image</strong> of atheists, and we hope you can respect us for that, the same way we respect you.</p>
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