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		<title>Monday September 14 2009</title>
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Topic: Burqas in France
Sarkozy announced in June that burqas were “not welcome” in France.
What are the possible benefits of banning dress and symbols such as the burqa?

Women are not oppressed, treated like property
Many women are forced to wear the burqa by family
Reduce abuse in religious community due to visibility

What are the [...]]]></description>
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<p>Topic: Burqas in France</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/sarkozy-burqas-are-not-we_n_218920.html">Sarkozy announced in June that burqas were “not welcome” in France.</a></p>
<p>What are the possible benefits of banning dress and symbols such as the burqa?</p>
<ul>
<li>Women are not oppressed, treated like property</li>
<li>Many women are forced to wear the burqa by family</li>
<li>Reduce abuse in religious community due to visibility</li>
</ul>
<p>What are the drawbacks?</p>
<ul>
<li>Revocation of the option to wear the burqa removes a right women previously had</li>
<li>When you make something taboo, people cling to it – create an alternative, attractive culture</li>
<li>Infringing upon the personal, non-offensive wear of the religious</li>
</ul>
<p>Is the state justified in taking such action against personal religious symbols?</p>
<ul>
<li>Separation of church and state has benefitted the religious as well as the non-religious</li>
<li>One must determine the infringement upon personal rights</li>
<li>Is the law motivated by nationalism/overbearing secularism taking away personal right to religious expression?</li>
<li>The secular members of society expect freedom from oppression – applying this same oppression to the way of life for the religious can be seen as hypocritical and counter-productive</li>
<li>In a blanket ban on the burqa, you eliminate the choice of women who are not being forced to wear it</li>
<li>Many women see the burqa for its original purpose – modesty to avoid being objectified</li>
</ul>
<p>Why might France seek to outlaw the wearing of the burqa?</p>
<ul>
<li>Oppressive of women</li>
<li>Hides identity of wearer – possible hidden threat</li>
<li>Religious symbols are already banned in French schools – children cannot wear crucifixes or any other type of outward religious symbolism</li>
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